For as long as, I can remember! I have taken a shake with waxy maize powo. I recently am trying to limit shakes. So I have been consuming all whole food instead! My question is when I finish training, now that I do whole foods instead of shake and fast carbs, should i continue the fast carbs with the protein whole food, or does it really not matter if its fast or slow just good complex carbs and protein. thanks again
If you have BCAA during exercise I don't really feel there is a need for 'fast carbs' after a workout; i'm assuming you are just trying to maintain protein synthesis turnover rates. In fact I don't really feel there is a need for 'fast carbs' after a workout at all. If you are worried about 'glycogen depletion' don't be. If you eat 5 times per day there is no shortage of carbohydrates to refill your muscles, it'll just be over the next few hours instead of the 1/2 hour after training. I think the starch/simple sugar Post-WO is good if you want to put fat on. Also, as a general question, why is whey not a whole food? People consider milk a whole food and whey is just dehydrated milk essentially. I'm also curious to know why people think whole foods are 'better' protein sources? Peoples opinions on the topic always interested me. What is your opinion?
To be honest! I am getting some of the best results from whole foods, than whole foods and shakes! I totally ditched shakes, and I am eating 5-6 meals from all whole foods. It's a little tougher to eat all whole foods rather than just pound down a shake. But so far so good. If it aint broke don't fix it right.
Greetings... I might contribute my couple of cents if you don't mind. Fast Carbs like Dextrose, Maltodextrin and WMS like you have listed are fantastic 'shuttles' immediately after training to rush nutrients like BCAAs, Glutamines, and Creatines into the body to replenish glycogen stores. It has this effect because of the high molecular weight of WMS. Nutrients bypass the stomach and are absorbed into the intestines for fast assimilation. It can be argued that mixing protein (supplements or whole food) with WMS immediately after workout probably isn't the most scientific approach. Pairing WMS with Protein can negate it's effects. Personally - I have my 'fast carb' shake immediately after I put down the weights from my last rep of my last set. My PWO shake contains; WMS, BCAAs, Creatine and Glutamine It takes me approximately 15-20 minutes to get home from the gym which is the PERFECT time to consume a high protein meal (whole foods or protein shake) as your body is already primed with all these essential nutrients providing a solid foundation for muscle repair/building. -Blake.
If I remember correctly, much of the initial research on post-workout carbs had the test groups work out at a fasted state. My ruling on the "whole foods" is this: whey protein isn't a whole food because hippies don't endorse it as such. Why are some fruits and vegetables called "Organic" and others not? Considering that all (plant) life is carbon-based, is it even possible to eat a non-organic apple?
I think you've got the right ideas, but some of the things being said are not quite on par. Glucose doesn't 'shuttle' amino acids into cells. Carbs stimulate the release of insulin which forces calories into cells. It turns into a matter of probability - you really don't burn a lot of glycogen while lifting weights, you can guess where the rest of the energy is being stored. I think that is one of the things The Prof is arguing. Glycogen, being chains of glucose molecules, is comprised of glucose. In order for an amino acid to restore glycogen, it would first need to be converted into glucose, which isn't impossible, but due to the fact that insulin release is currently being stimulated by high levels of blood glucose concentrations, the conversion rates aren't very probable. I also do not understand the argument you are making that protein should not be mixed with carbs, but an amino acids cocktail with carbs is okay. Proteins just break down into their respective amino acids in the digestive process, which in the case of whey protein, isn't that long of a time anyhow. Is this argument that it would slow the digestive process of waxy maize starch?
Organic, to me means the land in which my food is grown has not been killed with poisons. Instead it is fed with food that enrich the soil of the earth. It also means no one has sprayed my food with poison. There is also a great difference in taste, with fruit and meats that have been treated with the care. As for whey, are you kidding me. That crap comes from China. I don't give a crap how great it works> I will not ingest processed food that come from a country with no food regulations or lack there of and any type of enforcement within their food industry. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not dropping the ball. Food is for life, not corp. profit.
Hate to say it but Food is profit. It is a multi billion dollar industry. And they have learned how to capitalize off America's health craze by offering "healthy" or "organic" food at a much higher cost. If food was for life, the healthiest food would be the cheapest food but yet a gallon or organic milk is 7 bucks, i'll take the 3.98 gallon lol. Unless we are growing and tending to our own food, we are all being taken advantage of at some point or another. Doesn't really matter if it is China, US, Europe, etc. Unfortunately, profit is worldwide.
So true. It's buyer beware and most have no clue. I pay a lot for food and I don't care. I wish I didn't have to, but as you have pointed out healthy is expensive. Being single and having four day off a week allows me time to shop around. I don't eat many processed foods. My diet is simple and I enjoy it that way. I eat what I need and avoid excess calories. Sugar was the last to go but I got rid of it. Now I'm officially boring but I feel awesome 24/7/365. I don't even do holiday feasts. I always hated to way I felt after eating during the holidays. I do cook up a free range turkey however. They sure are tasty! One thing we can count on. There are always those few who are willing to do it the right way. Again as you have stated, it is costly. One must prioritize with what they have and need. Juggling is a good thing to learn.
lol @ offically boring. Good post You are totally right about priortization. Very important for your health and pockets...
